home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Path: news.gate.net!not-for-mail
- From: dhaire@gate.net (doug haire)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
- Subject: Re: Is 33.6 only available for USR?
- Date: 21 Jan 1996 02:42:21 -0500
- Organization: CyberGate, Inc.
- Message-ID: <4dsqot$ms4@seminole.gate.net>
- References: <4dd14b$odp@grid.direct.ca> <4ddchf$c4i@shellx.best.com> <30FA9B32.4862@fishnet.net> <4dh7j3$81i@shellx.best.com> <30FCE339.36B9@fishnet.net> <4dlt8f$1qom@seminole.gate.net> <DLGM5w.H8o@freenet.carleton.ca> <4dqj68$dcak@navajo.gate.net> <DLHzr
- NNTP-Posting-Host: seminole.gate.net
- X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0]
-
- n.Bs2@freenet.carleton.ca>:
- Distribution:
-
- Anthony Hill (an171@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
- :
- : doug haire (dhaire@gate.net) writes:
- : > Anthony Hill (an171@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
- : > : I believe that the original point of the message was that IF your
- : > : SNR is not good enough to support v.34 connections now, the new features
- : > : of the annex to v.34 will make NO difference in your connect speed
- : > : (assuming everything else is the same). What this means is that if you're
- : > : getting a 26.4 connection with teh 3429 symbol rate with 28.8 v.34, you
- : > : will NOT see your connect speed increase to 28.8 by simply adding the 33.6
- : > : firmware UNLESS other things were changed (eg. when USR released their
- : > : 33.6 firmware for their Couriers).
- : >
- : > I believe there was a change included with the V.34+ upgrade (at least in
- : > the Courier) that improved speeds with the lower symbol rates, allowing a
- : > 28.8k connect (stable) at a lower symbol rate. I could be wrong about
- :
- : Yes, that is correct, and that's why I specified that the
- : connection was using the 3429 symbol rate already but still only getting a
- : 26.4 connection due to poor SNR. FWIW, the annex to v.34 allows all the
- : symbol rates to connect at one 2400bps higher then with the original v.34
- : spec, with the exception of the 2400 symbol rate (still stuck at 21.6
- : connections) and the 3429 symbol rate which can go up two steps (from 28.8
- : to 33.6).
-
- I believe you were talking to someone who had a V.34 and was not
- achieving 28.8k connects, correct? It would seem then that going to V.34+
- might actually help him achieve them. If he's using a Sporty the upgrade
- cost is $25 (I think). If he has a Courier, it's free.
-
- : > this but I don't think so. I do know, subjectively speaking, that my
- : > unstable 28.8k connects became more stable when I went to the V.34+ and
- : > that I started getting more 28.8k connects than I had. Admittedly, this
- : > is subjective since I did not run control tests.
- :
- : USR did some very effective refining of their v.34 code with their
- : 33.6 code for their Couriers. Sportsters saw many of the same refinements
- : with the 04/18/95 code.
-
- As I was told by someone at USR (no, not the folks you get on the support
- line) that the Sporty got the same code that the Courier did, essentially.
-
- : > : This has absolutely NOTHING to do with the annex to v.34, it's
- : > : merely coincidence that USR decided to add both new features in the same
- : > : firmware for their Couriers. Also, unless something has changed since I
- : > : last checked, these new v.42 features (244 byte LAP-M packets and SREJ) have
- : > : NOT been added to the Sportster line.
- : >
- : > It was included in the V.34+ ROM code. As I understand it, it should also
- : > be in the Sporty V.34+ code but perhaps someone who has a V.34+ Sporty
- :
- : There's not particular reason why these enhancements should be
- : added with any one code. They do not require any of the new features of
- : the annex to v.34, in fact, they don't require v.34 at all. Zyxel's 14.4
- : modems (and 28.8s I presume) included both of the features that USR added
- : with their 33.6 code.
-
- The Zyxel 14.4k did not have the expanded V.42 (I own a U-1496E+) and I
- got tired of waiting for a Zyxel 28.8k so I can't comment on those. I
- beleive you will find that the new Sporty's have the 244...
-
- : > : > You will find that it outperforms the "standard" implementation in the
- : > : > Rockwell chipset modems every time. That is, I get high 3300's to low
- : > : > 3400's using zmodem (w/Mobyturbo) on a 28.8k connection. I get high
- : > :
- : > : FWIW the PPI has a maximum LAP-M packet size of 512 bytes, more
- : > : then twice the size of the USR Couriers 244 bytes, so the PPI will have a
- : > : higher maximum theoretical throughput then the USR Courier. Of course,
- : > : PPI does not support SREJ (unless it's been added recentely), so if there
- : > : are any noticible amounts of errors on the line, the Courier may end up
- : > : outperforming the PPI.
- : >
- : > Would you run some tests with the PPI and see what kind of rates you get?
- : > I'd certainly be interested in seeing them.
- :
- : Several magazines did this a while back, the result was that PPI
- : and Hayes blew the competition out of the water on throughput tests (done
- : over perfect connections).
-
- I don't read "Several magazines" so I don't know what you're referring to
- here. I don't trust most magazine tests since they tend to come up with
- some pretty bizarre results ... such as Hayes modems actually performing
- well.
-
- Now, if you would run some simple tests, I would like to see the results.
-
- Oh, by the way, I just got a 3940 cps rate on a download of a 334884 byte
- compressed file. Seems I got one of those elusive 33600 connects (through
- an LD connection no less!).
-
- --
- "Things are more like they are now than they ever were before."
- [Dwight D. Eisenhower]
-